COVID–19: Origin & Theories/Info Including Loss of Civil Liberties (1 Viewer)

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I’ve often found the chemtrails seem to startup again when the weather turns warm and sunny, after a period of dull sunless days, almost as if someone is trying to turn the sun off. We need the sun for our health and well being, it makes us feel good.
Yes and we have a sunny, hot Easter bank holiday upon us. God forbid we should consider enjoying it!
 

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Well something came in! Is this why the chemtrailing started again? To try and block this?

Something Strange Occurred in the Solar System Last Night...and Earth REACTED to IT!

 
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Here is one of the latest in the "We are here just to help you" tech over-reach. Remember the movie, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? When the pod people saw a non-pod person, they would point and scream. Yeah, that was the first thing I thought of when I saw this news clip. I'm sure there would never be any errors in reporting so innocent people ended up on the tracker list because the government did so well with no-fly lists, for example.

Google and Apple said their work would come in two stages. In the first stage, next month, they plan to release a set of tools known as application programming interfaces (APIs) so that apps created by public health authorities could work on both iPhones and on phones that run Google’s Android operating system.
Then, in the second stage over the coming months, the two companies would build a voluntary tracing system directly into their iOS and Android operating systems.
Versions of coronavirus tracking apps already exist in China, Singapore, Israel and elsewhere, but efforts have been slower in the U.S. and Europe, because of concerns about privacy and because “contact tracing” must be combined with widespread testing in order to work.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/google-apple-team-track-coronavirus-infecteds-phone-app-will-warn-others-near-infecteds/
 
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Not quite sure how many strains of covid19 there are at the moment :-


it is difficult to interpret these data as you don't know how much difference there really is.
But one mutation every 15 days seems a lot and not stable as they describe it.
also the account of people getting reinfected gives the idea that the mutations circumvent our immune systems defense.

So this seems again "doublespeak" (cfr 1984) to push the vaccine agenda.
If you look at the flu. In my opinion it is relatively stable as they have a database of all the strains but the difficulty is to predict which of the strains will be the most important in the next season. So you have a year to year variation and every year a few new strains coming up.

doesn't seem to different to Covid and not at all to "stable virusses"
 

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Cov19 patients are starved for oxygen.
New research shows that the SARS-COV-2 virus causes the iron in hemoglobin (in red blood cells) to be freed from the hemoglobin so the red blood cells cannot carry oxygen... just like malaria. This is why the anti-malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine works. It prevents the malaria, and SARS-COV-2 from freeing the iron from hemoglobin.

More info here: https://wordsalad.info/2020/04/covid-19-patients-might-be-harmed-by-ventilators/
 

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Here's a video discussing how the statistics of corona are lacking and being 'misinterpreted'.
He starts with a statement about Anthony Fauci "famous medical celebrity" having published a COVID-19 case fatality rate, or 'death rate' of 0.1% after which he appeared on the media 1-2 days later stating that the case fatality rate is 1%. AFauci is on President Trump Administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force and is often quoted in the news.
The videographer, Sam Vankin, also mentions others who have put out videos discussing statistical misinformation on corona, including Dr Ioannides and J Bhattachargy from Stanford Uni whom he describes as very professional and level speakers and S Bhakdi from Mainz Uni in Germany whom he describes as 'a bit of a drama queen'.
It's a half hour long.

 

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I found this article interesting because I think it is a comment on modern life, especially that in the USA. Our food sources include so many processed items that are full of sugar and chemicals. Also, big-pharma still controls the medical mindset of take a pill for the symptoms, rather than make life-style changes. You don't have to look at many commercials to see the idealized life is food and alcohol. Don't get me started on portion sizes. Shoot, it is almost like a significant part of the population was groomed for this particular virus.

"We find particularly strong associations of older age, obesity, heart failure and chronic kidney disease with hospitalization risk, with much less influence of race, smoking status, chronic pulmonary disease and other forms of heart disease."
The authors point out that obesity "is well-recognized to be a pro-inflammatory condition," while COVID-19 triggers an inflammatory immune response.
"Hyperinflammatory states are well described in severe sepsis," they write, "however, the degree to which Covid-19 related inflammation is similar to or different than that typically found in sepsis is unknown." They also note that COVID-19 patients have displayed blood clotting, or "hypercoaguability" which presents as thrombosis or embolisms.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/largest-us-study-covid-19-reveals-single-biggst-factor-hospitalizations
 
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Here's a post I made on Facebook four days back.

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By attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: "Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vac ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control over global health policy—the spear tip of corporate neo-imperialism.​
Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems fueled by a messianic conviction that he is ordained to save the world with technology and a god-like willingness to experiment with the lives of lesser humans.​
Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. In 2017, the World Health Organization reluctantly admitted that the global polio explosion is predominantly vaccine strain, meaning it is coming from Gates’ Vaccine Program. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, the Philippines, and Afghanistan are all linked to Gates’ vaccines. By 2018, ¾ of global polio cases were from Gates’ vaccines.​
In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by GSK and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.​
In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a trial of a GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,049 children.​
During Gates 2002 MenAfriVac Campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Between 50-500 children developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, "We are guinea pigs for drug makers."​
Nelson Mandela's formar Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates' philantropic practises as "ruthless" and immoral".​
In 2010, Gates committed $ 10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines. A month later Gates told a Ted Talk that new vaccines "could reduce population". In 2014, Kenya's Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a phony "tetanus" vaccine campaign.​
Independent labs found the sterility formula in every vaccine tested.​
After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.​
Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines.​
A 2017 study (Morgensen et.Al.2017) showed that WHO's popular DTP is killing more African than the disease it pretends to prevent. Vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of unvaccinated children.​
Gates and the WHO refused to recall the lethal vaccine which WHO forces upon millions of African children annually. Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of - hijacking WHO's agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases; clean water, hygiene, nutrition and economic development.​
They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal fetish - that good health only comes in a syringe.​
In addition to using his philantropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI and PATH, Gates funds private pharmaceutical companies that manifacture vaccines, and a massive network of pharmaceutical -industry front groups that broadcast deceptive propaganda, develop fraudulent studies, conduct surveillance and psychological operations against vaccine hesitancy and use Gates' power and money to silence dissent and coerce compliance.​
In this recent nonstop Pharmedia appearances, Gates appears gleeful that the Covid-19 crisis will give him the opportunity to force his third-world vaccine programs on American children."​
~ Robert F. Kennedy Jr.​
Link to his original post on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-s-9ZjH0YP/
(He's currently co-counsel in the #Monsanto #Roundup litigation.)​
This fellow does an excellent job showing/relating 5G to the current virus.. It goes into what a virus is, and how they come about. Give a listen:

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They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal fetish - that good health only comes in a syringe.
Are his children vaccinated at the same levels with the same drugs?
Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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In 2010, Gates committed $ 10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines
The WHO is only 20% funded by all states participating. The rest of 80% is private investors. So why is this still seen as a public authority? Bill Gates (Foundation) is the main investor!
 

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A lawyer in Germany also filed a lawsuit against the state as it is against our constitution and here website got taken down! It is all quite frightening. More frightening like the virus (hoax pandemic) itself.
This is quote of mine from another thread I wrote in two days ago. Laron says we can use this thread now for loss of liberty discussion too (see also changed title).

This news is spreads through the alternative ('real') media and YouTube (so far until taken down ...) of my country now but you might not know it yet. It is quite shocking, really.

Seem that some public intellectual 'dissidents' with another opinion than the mainstream propaganda seems to be either ridiculed or even rounded up, believe it or not ... the police put these sane people (doctors, lawyers) into psychiatry now.

I found an English article (don't know this website otherwise but it is safe):

Beate Bahner, a specialist medical lawyer from Heidelberg who had filed a complaint against the state of Baden-Württemberg and a constitutional complaint with the Federal Constitutional Court, was sent to psychiatric ward against her will on Easter Sunday. The reason given by the police was that she had „made a confused impression“. Beate Bahner was able to speak in the meantime. Her head was slammed from one meter onto the stone floor. She was refused an attorney. She’s still in psyciatric ward, against her will.
Momentarily my country feels like Nazi country reloaded again. Round up the people who disagree. Subservients please denounce anyone who does not comply. It went fast from normal to thought police dictatorship and loss of freedom of expression.

Scotty, beam me up, this country ... well, actually the whole planet now sucks! ;)
 

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Smithsonian Scientists Discover Six New Coronaviruses in Bats in Myanmar
The new viruses are not harmful to humans or closely related to SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19

Finding new diseases is difficult and dangerous work. In the middle of the night, the researchers would get dressed in protective gear. They would wear suits that covered them from head to toe, goggles, two pairs of gloves, and boots. Then they would go to caves and set up nets to capture bats and tarps to collect their droppings. There would be so many bats that it would take the team just a few minutes to have hundreds to sample.

Studying these bats, researchers from the Smithsonian’s Global Health Program discovered six new coronaviruses, the same family of viruses as the one that causes COVID-19, which has infected more than 1.5 million people globally, including more than 459,000 in the United States. They published their results Thursday in the journal PLOS ONE. While they do not suspect the new viruses are harmful to humans or closely related to COVID-19, the finding takes on new relevance as the world grapples with the ongoing pandemic.

“The goal is to prevent the virus from getting into the humans in the first place,” says Marc Valitutto, lead author of the study and a former wildlife veterinarian with the Global Health Program.

Searching for new viruses is “a grueling job,” he adds, “but this is what’s required if you want to prevent 90,000 deaths, which is what we’re seeing today. So, it’s a small investment monetarily compared to what we’re spending now.”

Suzan Murray, a zoo veterinarian and director of the Global Health Program, and co-author of Thursday’s study, agrees. “It really makes sense to go upstream and try and identify and prevent some of this first,” she says. “We need to be building the wildlife resources and the capacity to do wildlife testing and wildlife surveillance ahead of the curve.”

Zoonotic pathogens, which spread between animals and humans, have caused almost three quarters of infectious diseases in humans this century. This interaction happens because of changes in land use and other human behavior.


 
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Zoonotic pathogens, which spread between animals and humans, have caused almost three quarters of infectious diseases in humans this century. This interaction happens because of changes in land use and other human behavior.
This, to me, is a very important line.
Would we not get great health gains by addressing this?
 

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Good article on CE although not news from today where the WHO is severely questioned as authority. He mentions China as a reason (who doesn't nowadays in the US, seems the new scapegoat somehow...) but I think he also targets Gates (as said the countries only contribute about 20% of the WHO's funding).


Also there are more peaceful protests now already world-wide. I read about Ohio (it's on YouTube). And that the Yellow Vests in France continue although the MSM don't report on it anymore. Also last Saturday the first gaterhing in Berlin / Germany where folks were chanting "We Are The People" - the slogan that brought down the Berlin wall and authoritarian socialist GDR regime in 1989 when the East Germans did their peaceful protests. Of course lots of police trying to dissolve the rallies with force. We live in a police state now seemingly everywhere.

I expect more protests/rallies to happen if the lockdown lasts, although now some lifting is discussed also in my country (as in the US) which is good news of course! Let's be hopeful.
 
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The question among so many is why this level of attention to a virus, that while highly contagious, is not especially deadly. Yes, it can overwhelm medical facilities in some places. Here is an article about the US Navy aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt. The crew totals about 4,800 men and women, who are very fit and mostly in their 20s and 30s.

At least 655 Roosevelt sailors have now tested positive, including one death and multiple hospitalizations, out of a total crew of a about 4,800. It's startling that the Navy has found that out of over 600 COVID-19 infected sailors, the majority have displayed no symptoms. Testing is about 95% complete on the entire crew since the ship was diverted to Guam last month amid a spiraling crisis on board.
“With regard to COVID-19, we’re learning that stealth in the form of asymptomatic transmission is this adversary’s secret power,” Rear Admiral Bruce Gillingham, surgeon general of the Navy, told reporters.
The Navy specified that 60% of the Roosevelt's positive cases "so far have not shown symptoms". Crucially, Reuters points out that the "figure is higher than the 25% to 50% range offered on April 5 by Dr. Anthony Fauci".

The questions I have is what now for people infected but have no symptoms - will they continue to transmit the virus for an extended time and will there be any long-term effects.
 
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Anti lockdown-protests in Berlin and also elsewhere in the world but it is censored by MSM and Google etc.. In Germany the constitutional court has decided a few days ago that freedom of assembly cannot be forbidden, it is a basic right, so people make use of it.


 

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Anti lockdown-protests in Berlin and also elsewhere in the world but it is censored by MSM and Google etc.. In Germany the constitutional court has decided a few days ago that freedom of assembly cannot be forbidden, it is a basic right, so people make use of it.


Thanks for sharing that Sinera, I knew this would happen, you can only push people so far.

The big wake up is occurring and there will be no stopping it, there’s going to be a few casualties along the way I suspect, that happens with any change.
 

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they are even saying now the virus came from a laboratory in wuhan, so unstoppable
 

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COVID-19 has been hitting countries without 5G pretty hard, too.

I'm no scientist, and I'm certainly not an advocate for 5G (reasons other than potential health risks) but I'm fairly confident in the assertion that 5G isn't causing a virus. I mean... how is that even possible? Digital data, spawning something biological?

Does not compute.
 
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I can’t remember if it was a video of John Solomon yesterday or Time Bomb Overview today but one of them was saying that if we had just carried on as normal , we would have reacted to the virus as we do any of the others, we are a,ways hearing there’s a virus going around making folk feel a bit off, then we get immune.
Apparently the Corona virus is common and we all have it in us along with many other viruses.

I know we have to be careful what we believe but I could see sense in what he was saying, some of the medical profession have been saying things along the same lines

It sounds as if some folk believe wholeheartedly that it’s a killer and are terrified, while others would rather just get on with their lives and not live in fear.
 

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they are even saying now the virus came from a laboratory in wuhan, so unstoppable
Well, "they" is mostly the US/Trump and before that some alternative media too (Infowars, Natural News) and it has political reasons (finding an enemy / boogeyman) although I generally do not rule out this possibility, but there is not proof. Yes there are laboratories near Wuhan and that makes it suspicious and a coincidence less likely indeed.

However, a recent study from the UK concluded it is likely not to have started in Wuhan but further south in China:

 

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Well all the versions our powermen make and our helper it can give an headache with the amount on info, for me fear and radiation are never allies to the immune system
 

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Well, "they" is mostly the US/Trump and before that some alternative media too (Infowars, Natural News) and it has political reasons (finding an enemy / boogeyman) although I generally do not rule out this possibility, but there is not proof. Yes there are laboratories near Wuhan and that makes it suspicious and a coincidence less likely indeed.

However, a recent study from the UK concluded it is likely not to have started in Wuhan but further south in China:

this is again a nice theory but also without evidence... the same as they claim for the lab origin theory

A French scientist claims he found pieces of other virusses in thus virus but of course they try to reduce his credibility
https://www.gulftoday.ae/lifestyle/2020/04/19/french-nobel-prize-winning-scientist-luc-montagnier-claims-covid-19-virus-originated-in-lab

this all is a classic case of snowballing the truth with so much rubbish and half truths that it is difficult to find the original truth.
 
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this all is a classic case of snowballing the truth with so much rubbish and half truths that it is difficult to find the original truth.
Agreed. We will only know (if ever) with more certainty years later after thorough analyses by many experts (without vested interests ...) what really happened and how dangerous it was and what the origin is/was - and then assess if the draconic/authoritative measures at least in part were justified or if it really was a hoax and just the same as with the flu each year.
 
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