COVID–19: Mortality Rate, Life Cycle / Strains, Transmission (1 Viewer)

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Lila

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f no testing is done and a patient’s symptoms are close enough to the seasonal flu, will that person’s death automatically be attributed to COVID-19?
Yup

Consider, for instance, that the CDC is estimating there were between 24,000 and 63,000 deaths in the United States from influenza between October and March. In NYC, does that mean some of those deaths got lumped under COVID-19? Will this keep on happening?
Yup and yup.

The making of fear-porn dressed up in the clothing of 'medical fact'? A modern 'wolf dressed in sheep's clothing' story?

It seems to make much more sense to me to acknowledge that there is a virus out there that is killing an unknown number of people, a number that likely none of us really knows, decide what I will do about that, what I am willing to give up, do and speak about to help with this and then spend the rest of my time, effort, thoughts and emotions busy with the best and most fun ways to spend my time and efforts during this time when the meme of 'physical distancing' is being re-introduced in its modern version. It's a lot like the story of 'which wolf do you feed?'

The story of the two wolves a story that can be seen in many places and many cultures. Another version which comes to mind is a version of the student fighting himself in the book "The Temple of Master of Hotei" by Denise Le Fay. Here is the most common version of that story of two wolves that I've seen:

Another version, that adds a few elements, is this one:

Here is a commentary on some of the societal aspects of the story:
 
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Some interesting statistics:

Killer flu outbreak is to blame for a 42% spike in deaths in January after 64,000 people died - the highest number since records began
In January, 2018, 64,000 died in the UK, a massive death increase due to the flu. In ONE MONTH. In ONE COUNTRY. From THE FLU. Prior to that, 45,000 died in December. That's almost 110,000 deaths in one widely visited country in 2 months. Why the increase in deaths? The FLU. No lockdown. No hysteria. Just a bad season for the flu.​
 
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I have compared COVID-19 numbers with various other influenzas (I call it influenza, not to be confused with stomach flu, which is different) on the "mortality rates" tab at this spreadsheet:
Let's review the problems with any numbers that are reported regarding COVID-19.
  1. Confirmed: Test kits from China (that went to WHO) have 70% error rate.
  2. Rumor: Test kits from CDC have 30% error rate.
  3. Test kits are being saved and most people are not tested. So there must be at least 10x as many people infected as is reported. For my doctor, if you don't have trouble breathing AND no fever, you don't get tested.
  4. My spreadsheet includes the "official" numbers where the number of infected is probably far too low, which pushes up the death rate artificially high.
  5. One article mentioned that China's infected numbers are actually 700,000 people higher, so that's a separate case in my spreadsheet.
  6. Another case in my SS is listing 10x the actual infected which pushes the mortality rate down to about 0.5%.
  7. Starting about Oct 1, 2019 many more people at our company were very sick and taking many more consecutive sick days. This is unprecedented in my 19 years of work there. I work with payroll to count sick days. I personally had flu-like symptoms AND a sinus infection and my cough lasted 5 weeks.
  8. In Feb 2020 I got sick again with flu-like symptoms, fever (which I rarely get), and sore leg muscles (instead of the normal sore joints). This cough was uncontrollable and I was on 3 meds for the cough and asthma. After 7 weeks I finally got rid of the cough.
  9. There are many more anecdotes of people being sick last fall on Twitter, but we don't know if that was the flu or not. I don't know a single person who has ever gotten tested for regular flu.
  10. There seem to be problems with defining when the COVID-19 test emerged, and how accurate it is. Does it get a positive result for ANY coronavirus (there are many)? Or just for COVID-19? I can't find any information either way even after contact a virologist.
  11. If the positive tests are showing 1.44 million people infected, and 80% show no symptoms at all (and thus never get tested but are still carriers and can spread the virus), the calculated number of infected is 1.44 million / 0.2 = 7.2 million people infected.
  12. Be aware that a lower number of cases reported might mean the government is faking the numbers (like China) or they just don't have many test kits. Lower numbers of cases that are reported for a given country is not necessarily good nor realistic.

These are just my calculations based on various factors.
 
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New report: The COVID-19 is bad because it binds to the iron in hemoglobin (which transports oxygen) and removes said iron. Now that red blood cell cannot transport oxygen, this slowly gets worse, and the person has trouble breathing. This is why the anti-malarial drug works: it prevents COVID-19 from binding to, and freeing, the iron in hemoglobin, and allows the body to recover. So hydroxychloroquine should be used earlier, rather than later in the process. Red blood cells can only be replaced by the body so fast.

However few doctors will prescribe hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 because it hasn't been approved by the FDA in the US. What this means is, if something goes wrong with the patient, the patient's family might sue the doctor and the doctor's liability insurance may not cover the lawsuit! Without FDA approval, few doctors will take the risk to prescribe hydroxychloroquine.

Plus, the WHO is against using hydroxychloroquine and Dem governors from Nevada, Michigan, and New York have all banned the drug for treating COVID-19.

Cases per capita

The raw number of cases do not tell the whole picture of a country as it ignores the population. Highly populated countries will have a higher number of infection cases. So we look at the cases per capita. If we look at cases per 1 million population, the US is not even in the top 20. Several European countries are like UK, France, Belgium, Italy. Go here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries then click once on the header to sort by cases per 1M, then click again to get the descending order. This page seems to be updated constantly, not just once per day.

I have a relative in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia just banned everyone from going out for any reason, except from 3pm-6pm you can go out to get groceries.
 
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PS if you give them a fever suppressant and the temperature doesn't go down with your kids seek medical help as fast as you can. then they are really sick.
When I was a kid (1970s) if our temperature was above 102F, we would be put in a cold bath. An ice bath might be too shocking but it does work.
 

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The following chart is as of 9 PM 4/9/20. Four days ago, the total was 482 cases. So, we are seeing a steady climb, with 9 new cases in the 10-19 range, 1 new case in the 1-9 range, and consistent growth in the other categories.

As of 4/2/20, there were 3 deaths, all of people over 60. As of 4/5/20, there were 3 more deaths (total 6), and they were a woman in her 70s, a man in his 30s, and a woman in her 50s. As of 4/8/20 there was one more death but details are unknown at this time.

The county has added new data, which is interesting - 128 people have recovered and 72 are hospitalized. There is a catch with the hospitalized number because it references the five counties in the Austin MSA and not just Travis County. Austin has 8 main hospitals and 1 children's hospital, which have eliminated elective surgeries at this time. Granted there are people admitted with other illnesses and problems, but there must be a lot of empty space right now.

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There is a new chart that tells an interesting story. Of the cases tracked, the day the symptoms began also is noted. While the total number of cases continues to climb, the peak number of first symptoms was about 4 weeks ago. (The big jump to 45 was when the university students returned from spring break in Cabo.) Now 189 of the total count is not included in the following chart because 30 of the people had no symptoms and 159 have not completed the interview process.

The incubation period appears to vary but the maximum period seems to be 2 weeks. So, there may be a slow down in new cases in about a week from now. However, that could change with the new data from the 159 other cases mentioned above.

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More and more studies here and there confirming it is not more dangerous than the annual influenza virus wave(s).


 

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This is from a webtranslator I pasted the original website into, it is decently done, so I guess you can grasp the meaning. To sum up here: There is NOTHING (unusual) going on in general GP practices even to this day (updated interview from April 17th).

Interview: What a doctor says about coronavirus
Source: Zentrum der Gesundheit (Centre of Health)

Tomorrow I go to a local practice for sick leave (it's just my old thrombosis in the lower leg that seems to make a slight comeback, no infection, I did not have a cold/flu for 5 or so years actually). I will report what and how much was going on there.
 

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There's been some discussion about how this virus compares to the flu. Some people appear to contract the virus and not even know it, some seem to get a flu-type illness, and some die from it. More and more info is coming forth in all three categories, and I came across an interesting article today. It is a Reddit Board about the aftermath of the virus. There are anecdotal commentaries showing the symptoms resurge for some. Using the way-back machine, I sifted around in memories of the few times I had a flu. The main thing I recall was to give it one more day after symptoms subsided or risk a relapse. However, the stories shared on the Reddit board suggest something else - a long on-going bout of the after affects.

In South Korea, nearly 100 COVID-19 patients deemed 'recovered' had tested positive again, according to Jeong Eun-Kyeong, director of the Korean CDC, adding that the virus may have been reactivated rather than the patients being re-infected."
I'm on day 51. Still weak off and on through the day, still have gunk in my lungs. I cried last night over the kitchen sink because I'm so sick of this. My breathing has been not too bad for the last week, but I woke up this morning feeling shortness of breath, which freaked me out. I thought that that symptom was over and done with.
I wish that there was more in the news about this presentation of the virus-the long lasting, up and down symptoms.
 

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. However, the stories shared on the Reddit board suggest something else - a long on-going bout of the after affects.
It took about a week and a half to two weeks after the bulk of it was over for me to feel like the after crap was done too. I technically looked like i was fine, but I could feel it in myself, still hanging on there.
If people have milder forms than I did, it could look like they were technically done, only to tax themselves and see it come back up.

More harrowing is the consideration that there could be a trigger that causes another flare up. Presuming it was a bioweapon that was created. Though that sort of technology seems a little advanced for our people as of yet. (though who knows.)
I admit I'm hearing a lot of pretty frightening things about the whole vaccine, inject us with monitors as well as the vaccine stuff and it's freaking me out a bit. I'm trying to disconnect a little, but every development and addition to the whole #gates thread of consciousness seems to flare up at me.
I actually had a long talk with my husband about vaccines late last night. He still thinks, ultimately, despite the negatives, that they are worth it. It's been draining me.
But that's beside the point and this thread.
 

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To heck with the point of the thread - Angela how about coming to the remote group healing next Saturday and asking for healing? I certainly see how someone who has been through this would have qualms about vaccines. I don't think one is going to be ready soon, so how about giving yourself 2 weeks off from reading about and worry about it. We can write Haiku poems - draw something - whatever. :-D
 
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I will report what and how much was going on there.
Practice was empty (waiting room with only 3 other patients). To be truthful however, those with cold/flu symptoms are told to just phone in and stay at home and get their sick leave per phone by exception as long as this 'pandemic' lasts (might be so in every country?). So I cannot give a fair assessment. But as said, there wasn't much drama going on. I heard similar things about hospitals in my area.
 

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Does anyone know if this is true?
Vaccine laws vary from area to area. For example, in Texas, there are exemptions for medical or religious/conscience reasons. So, in a way, that notice is the first step to getting an exemption on either ground. However, it is not a simple thing to achieve. Here is how it worded for my state.

To claim an exclusion for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief, the child's parent, legal guardian, or a student 18 years of age or older must present to the school or child-care facility a completed, signed and notarized affidavit on a form provided by the department stating that the child's parent, legal guardian, or the student declines vaccinations for reasons of conscience, including because of the person's religious beliefs.
The form must be submitted to the school or child-care facility within 90 days from the date it is notarized. The affidavit will be valid for a two-year period from the date of notarization. A child or student who has not received the required immunizations for reasons of conscience, including religious beliefs, may be excluded from school in times of emergency or epidemic declared by the commissioner of the department.

However, as a generalized method, no, I don't think this is enough.
 

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Could genetics explain the confusing array of SARS-CoV-2 symptoms?

A dry cough. Loss of smell. Diarrhea. Fever. All of these have been considered possible symptoms associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection, along with the complete absence of symptoms at all. In the absence of a sufficient testing capacity, many areas in the United States are being compelled to allocate their limited tests to only those who seem to have COVID-19 symptoms. But, given the difficulty of determining which symptoms actually indicate a likely infection, those are difficult decisions to make.


The bewildering array of symptoms also raises questions about why people respond so differently to the same virus.


Figuring out what's going on in the midst of a pandemic is an incredible challenge. We're going to take a look at some preliminary reports about one way of doing so—not because the results are likely to hold up as more research comes in, but because it reveals some of the ways that researchers are using to try to understand the virus's infection.
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NHS doctors have been warned to look out for a rare but dangerous reaction in children that may be linked to coronavirus infection.

An urgent alert sent out to GPs said that intensive care departments in London and other parts of the UK have been treating severely sick children with unusual symptoms.

This includes "multi-system inflammation" with flu-like symptoms.

Some, but not all, tested positive for coronavirus.

It is unclear how many children have experienced the reaction, although the numbers will be low.

NHS England medical director Stephen Powis said they had become aware of reports of rare, severe illness in children. "It's only in the last few days that we have seen those reports. We have asked our experts to look into this as a matter of urgency."



I think that the differences in symptoms is down to the miasms that each person has and the amount of each within their subtle bodies.
 

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Something is moving because some of the mainstream elitists themselves are against lockdown and the cheating with the death rate now. Help from a corner we would not have expected, huh?

 
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I got a message a couple of days ago from my colleague at work, who got the Corona virus together with his husband, in April. They are both 40-50 years old, healthy, without any underlying diseases. At the first week they both got similar, typical symptoms, like fever, pain in the throat etc. She (my co-worker) treated herself with extra c/d vitamin and especially Nigella Sativa seeds that she chewed for several days (she said they helped a lot for throat pain especially). Next week her husband got worst and was tested a couple of times for corona in the hospital. Results were negative. Finally he was taken to the hospital intensive care, in that time the situation had got really bad. While being in the hospital, the third test (that was takes directly from lungs) gave a positive result.

She never got tested. She believes that possibly part of her much milder version and quicker recovery was due to help of Nigella Sativa (+ extra vitamins).

It looks like tests are not reliable at all, it´s quite puzzling. She was very frustrated about that. I´m happy they are recovering now and I find the tip of Nigella Sativa very useful, ordered them as well :). Just wanting to share this tip!
 
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