Journal Sinera, Metaphysical Detective, Case #1: Who's Netscher's 'Young Lady playing the Guitar'? (1 Viewer)

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Sinera

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Okay, long title, I know. :fp|-) Bear with me. :p

It's a bit of a fun side project. But I might try 'solve' more cases like this, hopefully, that's why I called it 'Journal' now. I found out data before via AP and sometimes documented it also in my old journal at the AD. I decided however to put this in the RV thread because it is also kind of a RVing of mostly facts and data (via AP).

Most here who know me also know I have this lady's avatar pic as placeholder for 'Sinera' since I am here. I also use it in two other forums by now (EIC,AD). And I somehow over time grew fond of the picture.

And that's why somehow I want to find out about this young guitar playing girl now. Just like I did with my past lives, mostly via AP, some via dreams. However, in Sinera's case it was many APs and some painstaking detective's work, a piece of evidence here, another piece of data there. But don't worry I won't go into offtopic detail about it here.

So the reason I have this pic in the first place is because I wanted to get as near a the picture of what I was shown how Sinera looked like, a presumed past life of mine in Southern France, born 1650, who is also my forum name in her honour.
(Btw. you might notice I am talking about Guitar Lady and Sinera in the present tense. It's the natuer of RV and AP research alike. All exists now. They 'exist' right now, that is also how I experience past lif personalities in the astral / akashic / soul records, or whatever).

When I first saw Sinera she wore a beautiful red dress. So one day I typed into googleimages what I already had found out til then: "lady red painting 1600s". The result is HERE. Her image came up as one of the first and resonated with me, not because she resembles Sinera (which she does only superficially and not entirely) but due to her musicianship since I'm a musician myself. I like it. I like her.

Moreover they are contemporaries and the same generation. That means they're almost the same age when that picture was painted. It is just that Sinera lives in France and Guitar Lady in the Netherlands. The painting is dated with 1669 by the artist himself, Dutch painter Caspar Netscher.

Sinera was born around 1650 and would be 19 at the time of this painted scene. I would say Dutch Guitar Lady is a little younger, judging from her still child-like face, although the clothes make her appear older and 'grown-up-lady-like', I'd say she's around 15 years of age, but I might be wrong.

Here is the painting for the first time in its entire beauty. Notice the love of detail - actually it is quite astounding since the painting is indeed very small.



The Dutch artist painter is Caspar Netscher. Here is the picture and the artist info online from the museum gallery:

Caspar Netscher (1639 - 1684) - A Young Lady playing the Guitar

The commentary reads:
'The son of a German sculptor, Caspar Netscher moved to Arnhem and later studied under Gerard ter Borch in Deventer. He settled in The Hague, becoming a member of the painters’ society, Pictura, in 1662. During this period he specialised in small-scale genre scenes (of which The Lace Maker, also in the Wallace Collection, is the finest example). A Young Lady playing the Guitar depicts a fashionably dressed girl, seated at a table covered by a sumptuous rug. Holding a guitar, she shows off her musical accomplishments.'

Inscription is stated as:
Inscription: 'C.Netscher / 1669'
Inscription: '[…] CIA'


Not sure what "CIA" means here, certainly not what we associate with it today :fp:(( ... and it is not sure if it's a name's initials or not.

So I will still have to find out her name and next to her name I also intend to hear her play (and also sing if she did so with it). O_o

Yes, you read it right. It is possible to retrieve audio files from the Void, did so before, next to talking to beings/voices you can 'hear' a lot there. I know other APers stories who heard future hit songs and also ancient music in the Void. It's all like making a data query, your intent to get and retrieve it is key. It must be focussed and strong though. I will only hear a snippet of course, but that will do. I'm really curious to find out how it sounded. O.o:D<3

Due to dry spells, mistakes and misfortunes I cannot say when I will have a success and post the update, but I am sure (one day or soon ...) I will. ;) I always did ... somehow ... eventually.

Just as a sidenote but still interesting and entertaining: I might already know the name of her little sister. Not by psychic or any metaphysical means though, sorry to disappoint here. <:)

It is a form of logic, reasoning and detective's work. There is another similar picture. First I thought it is Guitar Lady at a younger age. But the museum states and the inscriptions show it was all painted in the same year and they also seem to be sure it was the same family. No doubt about that, it's her little sister:

Caspar Netscher (1639 - 1684)- A Child plucking a Rose



Commentary:
'A Child plucking a Rose is almost certainly a pendant to A Young Lady Playing the Guitar (also in the Wallace Collection). They were painted in the same year, are of the same size and format, and share the same provenance. This painting shows a much younger girl, plucking a rose, symbolic of purity and love. She takes the flower from a pot placed on an entablature supported by putti, the naked children traditionally associated with Venus, goddess of love. Since the pictures were painted in the same year, are of similar size and format, and share the same provenance, it is likely that they depict members of the same family.'

On this one the inscription is stated as:
Inscription: 'Corelia P.m.l.. [?] / oudt. 7 Jaer / 1669' In black paint
Inscription: '58' In white chalk


The first one is intriguing. 'Corelia' does not yield results in internet searches (just metal band). What makes sense to me though is that the 'r' was somehow merged with a 'n', or the artist made a slip of the pen leaving out the 'n' altogether.

That means her name could be 'Cornelia'.

Research shows that it is a common name in Netherlands (as well as in my country). Lots of 'Dutch' entries in Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_(name)#Modern_women_with_the_name
https://www.behindthename.com/name/cornelia

Behind it, 'oudt. 7 Jaer' most probably means 'aged 7' in old(er) 1600s Dutch. This would make a lot of sense if we look at the girl / child.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jaer
From Old Dutch jār, from Proto-Germanic *jērą, from Proto-Indo-European *yeh₁-.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oud#Dutch
From Middle Dutch out, from Old Dutch alt, from Proto-Germanic *aldaz, from Proto-Indo-European *altós, *h₂eltós, from *h₂el- (“grow, nourish”). Compare German alt, West Frisian âld, Low German old, English old.

You see, sometimes we don't need psychic ability to solve a small case.
:rolleyes::fp

Keep you updated. Wish me good luck, or that the force be with me to solve her older sister's case, too.
:)

Sinera Holmes
(who wants to be my Dr. Watson?:cool:)
 
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This is what Wikipedia has to say about the painter. It is interesting that he lived and loved in France:

“In 1658 he set out for Italy to complete his education, booking passage on a ship to Bordeaux with letters of introduction from Tullekens for his cousin Neny there.[1] From Bordeaux he planned to proceed overland to Italy. However, while in Bordeaux he met the mathematician and fountain designer Godijn, and married his daughter Margaretha Godijn on 25 November 1659, which halted his progress to Rome.[1] In Bordeaux he toiled hard to earn a livelihood by painting small cabinet pictures which are now highly valued on account of their exquisite finish. Fearing the persecutions of Protestants, after his son was born he moved back North to The Hague in 1662, and turned his attention to portrait-painting.”
 
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Here is a painting of Margaretha, Caspar’s wife:

60A17904-85BA-4588-A27A-952FD25EEFCD.jpeg

Interesting that she looks like an older “Sinera”.
 
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This is what Wikipedia has to say about the painter. It is interesting that he lived and loved in France:

“In 1658 he set out for Italy to complete his education, booking passage on a ship to Bordeaux with letters of introduction from Tullekens for his cousin Neny there.[1] From Bordeaux he planned to proceed overland to Italy. However, while in Bordeaux he met the mathematician and fountain designer Godijn, and married his daughter Margaretha Godijn on 25 November 1659, which halted his progress to Rome.[1] In Bordeaux he toiled hard to earn a livelihood by painting small cabinet pictures which are now highly valued on account of their exquisite finish. Fearing the persecutions of Protestants, after his son was born he moved back North to The Hague in 1662, and turned his attention to portrait-painting.”
Good detective work, but I think Margaretha was older than 9 years old when they married, if Sinera's birth date is confirmed?
 
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This is what Wikipedia has to say about the painter. It is interesting that he lived and loved in France:
Really fascinating - all of it!

I see, you already applied for the post as Dr. Watson, Aneika. ;)

The dating of this painting of Margaretha - the older Guitar lady (?) - is 1680 according to Wiki Commons.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Margaretha_Godijn.jpg

That would be 11 years after the younger pic (my ava). So it might be a possibility indeed. Great find!

Especially the nose seems the same shape if you look closely at it. The eyes too. Quite a similarity that must be beyond coincidence.

The 1669 painting was supposedly in The Netherlands, but I assume of course his wife was with him then anyway. But why did he name it "A Young Girl" then instead of naming his wife if she already was married to him for 10 years by then (since 1659)? Artistic choice maybe...?

Interestingly, here's another 'nameless' lady painted 7 years after the Guitar pic with date 1676 and so it was 4 years before the official "wife" picture. It also looks a little like her although the nose is thinner (or was it Cornelia then?), but the age makes sense for a picture painted 'in-between' the two other pics:

https://www.museothyssen.org/en/collection/artists/netscher-caspar

"Portrait Of A Lady"



Good detective work, but I think Margaretha was older than 9 years old when they married, if Sinera's birth date is confirmed?
Hailstones: I saw you posted 'Magdalena' on my status as an intuitive/psychic guess, which is close in sound an writing to 'Margaretha'. Well done !

However, it is not said that they were born in the same year or are the same person, just that they were the same 'generation'. Again: Despite the interesting France proximity, which I had indeed overlooked, I 'know' it is not Sinera because she also looked still different. It was just a pic I chose as a wildcard to symbolise her by the 'closest match'.

And it is close indeed. Even more: It is intriguing nonetheless because Sinera's home was just a little South of Bordeaux as I was shown on a map in the Astral.

Also according to Wiki and the Bordeaux region Netscher's wife was a Huguenot. In France these are the origin areas they mostly lived in:



More on them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenots

The most southern area which is next to Spain corresponds to the area I was shown to be Sinera's origin! That is not far away indeed. I thought she might be a Basque, but Sinera also might have been Huguenot then. Wow.

So again ... I am more than intrigued by all of this. Most of all since my last name is indeed of French origin and is said to maybe also be of Huguenot origin (but Norse/Norman origin is another possibility although this need not rule each other out since historically that was earlier iirc). So maybe there's also a hint of genetic ancestry involved now?
O.o:D

But stated above, one dubious point still remains: since C. Netscher married Margaretha in 1859 in Bordeaux this then would have been only 10 years prior to the pic of my avatar which would make this Guitar Lady girl very young for a marriage in 1659. Too young? In earlier times even in Europe girls were married at younger ages, but it must have been very very young indeed. Unless she was older than she looked on that Guitar pic (which is possible), around 30 or at least 25?

So this remains a bit of a conundrum.


Still I am grateful for the new clues and traces we found, and the many 'strange' 'coincidental' connections to Sinera, too. Thanks!

And it makes my task much easier now for my Astral Void query!

I at first only have to pose a yes/no-question to the Akashic and just ask if Margaretha is the right name. That is easier than trying to find out (by reading or hearing) a 'new' name I don't know. So I will ask the confirmation question and if I get a green swirl/light (meaning 'yes') instead of a red swirl/light, then this case is settled indeed. If I get a red swirl/light, then the quest goes on.

Keep you updated. :)
 
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Unless she was older than she looked on that Guitar pic (which is possible), around 30 or at least 25?
Her eyes have a "knowing", so I could see her being 25-30. Also, if she was wealthy, she did not have to struggle with the day to day problems of living, which also would help with her appearance.

Your detective story is very interesting.
 

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There seem to be some intriguing links here.
Let us know what you find, Sinera.
 
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