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Linda

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I love these posts.
They always leave me with my mouth hanging slightly open, thinking "Hmmm..." as little bits of stray pieces start to come together into a beautiful new pattern.
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It is all in the translation and interpretation - like statistics, you can pretty much prove what you want.

The first biblical writings were in Hebrew and Arameic, and Greek was used in the new testament. Later the OT was translated into Greek. Some references cite the Hebrew word heylel with its meaning of morning star, which was then translated into Greek with a similar meaning. It was not until later that a Latin translation appeared with its use of lucifer, which also means morning star. The idea of morning star refers to the planet Venus, which reflects the light in the morning sky. In older Latin texts, lucifer was applied to the planet Venus.

The next question is about the passage in Isaiah in which this term appears. Some, in later years, have interpreted these passages as referring to Satan; however, most scholars cite them as a prophecy on Babylonians.

In the end - all the words were written by people and translated over and over by people, each bringing their own interpretations. For me, light bearer is an elegant term that signifies those who continue to stand and shine regardless of what surrounds them.
 

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I believe that the whole new spirituality is very Luciferian in nature in that it doesn't focus on an external superpower but on the self.
It does focus on the internal "superpower" buy reconnecting you to your Higher Self. That is not the same as luciferianism or satanism. The latter is just about gaining power (or 'be god-like') for the lower self in the lower worlds, including the physical. The other is the realisation that you are a part of God / The Source and will always be connected. And you can manifest by being aware of that and live by it. Religionists do not make a difference, for them is everything that does not (as you put it) succumb to / worship / serve an external superpower (mostly scripture "God" in big letters) is of the devil.
 

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The way you put it down, it seems that luciferianism is a very advanced spiritual teaching. if I get your point right.
 
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The way you put it down, it seems that luciferianism is a very advanced spiritual teaching. if I get your point right.
Okay, sorry, my bad I might have expressed it in a wrong way. I meant with 'the latter' both luciferianism/satanism as one thing and I even would go so far and include "scriptural organised religionism" in general (which to me is also materialist).
The other "teaching" as opposed to it is actually not a teaching for me, but just a realisation. It might of course be part of other "new age" teachings, theorems whatever and is the general 'mystic' tenet about "Source" and "unity".
Hope I could clear it up.
 
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Tell me if I am understanding your point, Sinera.

Beliefs from organized religions, such as regular churches, as well as luciferism and satanism are more about gaining power in the physical world.

Beliefs that some call new age (and also are present in some eastern practices) focus on an individual's understanding that she or he is part of the greater whole, source, etc.
 
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Beliefs from organized religions, such as regular churches, as well as luciferism and satanism are more about gaining power in the physical world.
It's just the way I understand it (my opinion if you will): For me, satanism is about the incarnated self and gaining power by getting favours from extraphysical powers, yes. Like many forms of (black) magick of course.
And looking at the official religious institutions e.g. the Catholic Church (or similar institutions) for many centuries or millenials we can witness the so-called 'state religions' including the creation of a priest / clerical class in general in many societies, yes, I think that it is mainly about gaining and maintaining worldly powers.
 
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Tell me if I am understanding your point, Sinera.

Beliefs from organized religions, such as regular churches, as well as luciferism and satanism are more about gaining power in the physical world.

Beliefs that some call new age (and also are present in some eastern practices) focus on an individual's understanding that she or he is part of the greater whole, source, etc.
And since the key piece that this difference revolves around is about intent (so subtle, so easy to pretend it's what it's not) it can look very similar in so many cases.
I would argue that most religions started out with the latter belief, ie the understanding that each individual is part of the whole... then morphed over time as other individuals saw the power inherent in this way of being and sought to use it for gaining wealth + status via forcing of physical form/people.

I know this is not an original idea but perhaps worth something to reiterate here for clarity.
 
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Honestly, I am not familiar with how Lucifer is revered. He is not a guide I am following, so I can't tell you anything from personal experience.

What I believe is that even if you have the same guide, you can expect a totally different result depending on how you approach him or her.

I think the lesson the new spiritual movement gives is embrace your divinity, don't give your sovereignty to another being no matter what, love yourself and others. The label you put on is not important.
 
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The way you put it down, it seems that luciferianism is a very advanced spiritual teaching. if I get your point right.
From my perspective, Luciferianism and/or Satanism ARE advanced spiritual teachings...it's just that they seem to be directed primarily toward exploration and/or creation of "dark" (or "Service to Self") experiences. One could also successfully argue that, as repulsive and reprehensible as many of the practices are to most, that they are a necessary part of our human experience. It's not my preferred or chosen path--and I don't wish to support them in any way, but I do see their utility as catalysts for learning and for the fullness of our experiences in the physical.
 

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I see a lot of New Age jargon as potentially being a back-door entry (false light, if you like) for Luciferianism to enter as a polyglot philosophy. Perhaps some of the people attracted to the New Age are tricked by some of the light-filled references. I don't think you can be tricked if you look into things deeply. But the potential exists.

I have loved my journey through New Age thinking (across my whole life) but now I don't say I am of the New Age, for the reason given above. Perhaps it does colour my thinking, but my thinking has expanded beyond it.
 

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I see a lot of New Age jargon as potentially being a back-door entry (false light, if you like) for Luciferianism to enter as a polyglot philosophy. Perhaps some of the people attracted to the New Age are tricked by some of the light-filled references. I don't think you can be tricked if you look into things deeply. But the potential exists.

I have loved my journey through New Age thinking (across my whole life) but now I don't say I am of the New Age, for the reason given above. Perhaps it does colour my thinking, but my thinking has expanded beyond it.
So-called "New Age" ideas and concepts have been an indispensable part of my awakening too--and they continue to be. The most recent part of my spiritual journey has been learning the art of "discernment" (i.e., learning how to sift through the confusing mine-fields of information in order to safely find the tiny nuggets that speak the greatest truth to me).

I agree with you, Melt. I feel I've expanded beyond the limits of "New Age" thinking as well and don't feel nearly as much need to pigeon-hole or "label" myself as one thing or another anymore. I'm just becoming more and more happy to accept that I am ALL things--and that ALL things are an aspect of self. While I may feel more drawn to one aspect or another at times, I'm beginning to see that these alignments are simply experiences that allow me to enjoy the fullness of life--and create more of the things and conditions I'd like to experience next!

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